Green Room



Cooking in Heels with Peachez Iman Cummings

March 3, 2022


Peachez Iman Cummings — better known as Peachez with a Z NYC — is Food Network’s Worst Cook in America Season 23 winner, and the first black non-binary Drag Artist to appear on the channel.

In this episode, we talk about:

  • their win as the Best of the Worst Cooks In America on Food Network

  • how empathy plays a role in their work and performance

  • why drag is a key to speaking truth

  • and how having a platform allows you to elevate the conversation

“The people that make me stop my scroll and think differently and pivot my behaviors and change my perception — all have one in one thing in common: they aren't afraid to be human.”

Peachez Iman Cummings is NYC's newest and Juiciest rising star. She’s the Season 23 winner of Food Network’s Worst Cooks in America.

The drag daughter of renowned activist and drag legend, Marti Gould Cummings, she is focused on using her platform to highlight Black queens in the city's seemingly monochromatic nightlife scene.

In addition to drag, she sits on the board of directors of HelpNYC, is passionately involved with local government and volunteers with multiple ordinations through the city. Pairing high energyperformance with a clear point of view, Peachez will feed your mind, body and soul.

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“It's super sustainable because it's just who you are all the time, and it's less exhausting”


[00:00:00] Mike Ganino: Do you have one of those shows that you realized you've been watching for just a really long time for us? That's worst cooks in America, a food network show that's in its 23rd season, or just wrapped up its 23rd season and Phil and I realized we've watched them all. They come on and I don't know. It's just so fun to watch someone go through that transformation.

[00:00:21] Mike Ganino: Ah, storytelling right from being the worst cook in America, to being the best of the worst cooks in America. Here's how it works. They basically bring in 12 people. They're split up into two teams, usually, uh, people come together. So maybe you're split up from, you know, the person that you arrived with, your family member or best friend or something.

[00:00:41] Mike Ganino: That's what they did on season 23. But you're split into two teams and everyone there is like a certified worst cook. They've been nominated. They had to prove it. They had to show it. So they're all the worst cooks. And the premise is that these two celebrity chefs are going to help them become. Great cooks.

[00:00:58] Mike Ganino: They're going to take them on this journey to [00:01:00] make them a great cook. Every week people are eliminated. And then in the finale, you see the two best of the worst cooks from the two teams. You see them face off in a restaurant kitchen in a, for three judges where they have to produce a restaurant quality meal all while being coached by their celebrity chef, who.

[00:01:17] Mike Ganino: Help them who can't taste anything who can't touch anything who can just give them like voice advice. Right. Can just tell them where to move and stop. That's the premise of worst cooks in America. It's on its 23rd season. There've been celebrity seasons and it's just really fun. It's really fun to watch this journey and Burrell chef and barrel.

[00:01:37] Mike Ganino: I think she's like the reigning queen. She's always the celebrity chef, like main host of it. And then this last season, there was a new cook, a new chef, uh, cliff crux, who was the one that was competing with and to have the best of the worst, another fun thing that happened this season that we love the show because of.

[00:01:53] Mike Ganino: Was that it was the first season where two drag artists were on the show. There was one on each team [00:02:00] and they actually knew each other peaches. And Marty, Marty is peaches, drag mom. And so they knew each other, they were split up on teams and they made it to the finale. The two people competing for the winner of worst cooks in America, season 23 came together and they were both drag artists.

[00:02:18] Mike Ganino: First time in, uh, in food network, probably food network history. If we're being honest, they can be a little more, uh, a little slower to add interest in diversity to their ranks. But this season was so fun. Uh, we love watching it. Obviously Phil in Vivian, I had so much fun and it just felt really different.

[00:02:37] Mike Ganino: There was this wad of V because these two drag artists who were there really brought a different feeling, there was so much fun. There was a sense of comradery. There was so much singing and, uh, and I just had so much fun. And so when the final episode aired last week, I had reached out to one of the, one of the two drag artists and said, you're just my favorite because she brings so much interest.

[00:02:58] Mike Ganino: She had been a, a [00:03:00] former Broadway. Um, a musical theater major and had done a lot of performance. And so with singing and making up songs throughout and just brought this lightness and love to it. And I really wanted to interview her for the mic drop moment and the. The finale aired and she was the winner.

[00:03:15] Mike Ganino: And I got to talk to her the next day. This is that interview. This is my interview with, uh, peaches Mon Cummings, uh, who I think is one of New York. City's like newest juiciest, rising stars. As I mentioned, she's the drag daughter of a renowned activist in drag. Marti Gould Cummings, who has a TEDx talk, you can check out and also ran for New York city council.

[00:03:38] Mike Ganino: And so this is someone who has really focused on using their platform and peaches is focused on using her platform to highlight black Queens in the city, seemingly monochromatic nightlife scene. In addition to drag, she also sits on the board of directors for help. NYC is passionately involved with local government and volunteers with multiple organizations through the.

[00:03:59] Mike Ganino: And really [00:04:00] I can say from watching this last season and just falling in love with peaches with the Z, uh, really pairs high energy performance with this clear point of view and perspective, uh, peaches, I got to tell you will feed your mind, your body, your soul, and that's exactly what happened. I wanted to interview peaches before I knew that she was the winner of $25,000 and worst cooks in America food network, a seasoned 20.

[00:04:25] Mike Ganino: I wanted to interview peaches because I thought it was such a fun way to think about performance. We often see these drag stars on drag race or, or shows like that. And there's there's competition. There's a heightened and they seem almost like very different people. What I imagined I was going to find with peaches with the Z was that it was an elevated heightened version of.

[00:04:47] Mike Ganino: Of who she was out of drag. And that's exactly what we talked about. We talked about how being in drag is not about adopting another persona, but it's about finding parts of you and pumping them up, bringing them to [00:05:00] light, um, giving them extra energy and in a way, being able to say what maybe you wouldn't normally do.

[00:05:05] Mike Ganino: And that's what we're all about here on the show. And by the way, if that kind of journey is interesting to you, this episode is being sponsored by because I can, the mic drop method, the mic drop method is my group coaching program, where there some group coaching. There's some one-on-one coaching.

[00:05:21] Mike Ganino: Journey is to figure out who you are, what is yours to say? What's held you back. We go deep. We figure out how your shadow is sabotaging you. We look for how to balance the shadow and the light so that you can have this through line from, you know, your highest self, all the way down to your root it's. In your delivery in your performance, in your message, but also the through line of the story.

[00:05:44] Mike Ganino: W what are you going to share? What is the change you want to see in the world? So if that sounds fun to you, if you want to go on that journey, you can apply to work with us over at Mike dot com. You'll see the apply now button and. And if it's a fit, if it seems like something fun, then, then I'll send you [00:06:00] an invite to some private training that we're doing.

[00:06:02] Mike Ganino: You can learn a little bit more about the three big fundamental energy centers of being an epic transformational storyteller and public speaker. Uh, so if that sounds fun, go over to Mike and and apply to work with me in the mic drop method. Without further ado. Here's my conversation with seasoned 23 winter of a worst cooks in America.

[00:06:24] Mike Ganino: The best of the worst, if you will, which her new merchant says, which is super fun. You got to grab a t-shirt. Uh, here we are. Here it is peaches. Imaan coming on the mic drop.

[00:06:38] Peachez Iman Cummings: So you have a story to tell and you wonder how to own the stage and give that killer speech that will captivate the masses. You don't just want to speak to them. You want to transform your audience. Welcome to the mic drop moment. It's bold conversations about public speaking, storytelling and business that give you real world valuable takeaways.

[00:06:59] Peachez Iman Cummings: So you can [00:07:00] craft a speech, a story. And a life that the world can't stop talking about. It's time to find your mic drop moment. Here's your host, Mike amino.

[00:07:11] Mike Ganino: I feel so lucky to be able to talk to you. I don't, I'm probably not the first, like, I don't know if this is media, does this count as media do podcasts count as media?

[00:07:19] Mike Ganino: Of course. Okay. Is it's like one of your early media appearances as the winner of, um, of worst cooks in America. This is the very first

[00:07:29] Mike Ganino: one. So

[00:07:30] Mike Ganino: like,

[00:07:30] Peachez Iman Cummings: gosh, it's such an honor, such an honor.

[00:07:33] Mike Ganino: So how, what was the process like of being on the show? First of all, just in case. It

[00:07:38] Mike Ganino: was so fun. It was very, very, very difficult.

[00:07:44] Mike Ganino: Most of the days were 16 hour shoot days. Um, and, uh, this was the first time that there were drag Queens or drag artists on the show. So, um, if the call time was 6:00 AM [00:08:00] Marty and I were up at 4:00 AM to get ready and. It was just, it was a long day and, and, and, and tough conditions and a lot of wigs and tights and, um, overall, it was just such a fun, fun experience.

[00:08:16] Mike Ganino: And, and like, you can't ever really mentally prepare yourself. I don't think for it. And on top of it, I got to do it with my best friend and my drag mother. So, so

[00:08:24] Mike Ganino: wonderful. And for the two of you to be in the finale, I mean, how.

[00:08:28] Peachez Iman Cummings: That was wild. That was so, so cool too. It was what we wanted when we were going into the show.

[00:08:34] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I think, uh, we didn't necessarily anticipate it rolling out like that. And we were working hard to make sure it happened. And then when it did happen, we were both like, cool, great. Like at that point it made the finale so easy for both of us. Cause we were like, one of us is going to win. So either way we're walking away and like that's so great.

[00:08:55] Peachez Iman Cummings: And, and at the end of the day, we both won respectively on our [00:09:00] teams. So we're both winners in mind. Yeah, it

[00:09:04] Mike Ganino: is well, and it's so interesting. I was watching it and I was thinking about, first of all, in that, in that finale scene where you are in the kitchen cooking, like restaurant in a restaurant, kitchen, cooking restaurant quality meal, while in full drag, that's never been done on the show before people usually just like roll in there.

[00:09:22] Mike Ganino: They've had a little powder on their face, so they're not blurry on camera, but you both were performing. I mean, working in that kitchen in full drag, which is in heels.

[00:09:32] Peachez Iman Cummings: Uh, I wore heels the very first day and realized that that was not. So I, uh, kicked those babies off. And if you can see throughout the show, there are times where if there's zoomed out for enough, I am definitely in.

[00:09:47] Peachez Iman Cummings: Dress with sneakers. I

[00:09:49] Mike Ganino: love it. That's a brand, that's

[00:09:51] Peachez Iman Cummings: a brand, it's the working New York gal office. And then when I'm running to the train, I'm throwing on my sneakers.

[00:09:59] Mike Ganino: It's [00:10:00] it's perfect. It's perfect. A working girl working girl. Right. So when you initially, what was the. Impetus to do the show originally, did someone reach out to you both and say, you should do this?

[00:10:10] Mike Ganino: Did you watch a season and say, I'm not a great cook. Let's

[00:10:13] Peachez Iman Cummings: do it. Um, I mean, Marty and I both shared that, uh, we, this thing in common that we were not excellent cooks and then, um, Randomly, I get a call from Marty and she was like, Hey, what are you doing the next few weeks? And I was like, I don't know. And, uh, if you don't don't know, Marty ran for city council in New York city here in her district.

[00:10:42] Peachez Iman Cummings: And we had been working on her campaign and this, the call came in literally. I want to say the week after the campaign ended and the elections were over. So we were coming down out of this lake two year full court press [00:11:00] that ended up up and Marty not winning this city council seat. So we were kind of like, what's next.

[00:11:07] Peachez Iman Cummings: Anyways, Marty specifically was like, what's next? And then this call came in and, uh, Kind of ran for it and ran with it because we were just like, we, we didn't know what we were getting ourselves into necessarily. We had both seen the show and we're like, that would be so much fun. And then we get the call randomly and it's like, why not?

[00:11:29] Peachez Iman Cummings: Now? Let's go. So yeah, getting onto the show was, was so it felt like serendipity because. I didn't know exactly what was the next step for both of us after the camp ended. So to have that door kind of open up, it's one of those like, oh, the universe will always kind of place things exactly where they need to be for you.

[00:11:52] Mike Ganino: Yeah, this is, this is what's here and now we've got to get, we've got to get a food network and we're going to send everyone who's listening to the mic drop moment. We're going to [00:12:00] tweet, we're going to call our representatives at food network to get a show. Because you both brought so much life to this.

[00:12:07] Mike Ganino: And so hopefully that's the next call that comes in from the universities.

[00:12:13] Peachez Iman Cummings: I mean, as far as we know, we're the first drag artists on the food network. We are the first nonbinary drug artists on the food network. And even more importantly, I am the first black non-binary. Drag artists to win a competition on the food network. And I think, uh, the rating showed that people reacted really positively to it.

[00:12:37] Peachez Iman Cummings: And a lot of the social media interactions that we've gotten have just been nothing but positive and excitement that there there's this new kind of a niche demographic that we can tap into because, you know, with drag race and, and just with the state of the world in general, I think there's been a lot of [00:13:00] acceptance of drag into the mainstream.

[00:13:02] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I don't know that people really necessarily. Ha ha have known what that looks like for channels like the food network or, or, or, or TLC or some of the, the, the ones that their demographics are primarily, you know, like Housewives in middle America and, and people that wouldn't necessarily tune into VH1 on a Friday night and watch dread.

[00:13:27] Peachez Iman Cummings: I, and so to see the reaction to see people get excited, I mean, Marty and I are. Texting every day, like, how do we make this happen? We got, we gotta make this happen. So we'll see what the future holds we're doing the works

[00:13:40] Mike Ganino: well. And it's interesting too, watching the show, you know, the, the whole world of intersectionality is so interesting, right?

[00:13:47] Mike Ganino: So I'm a gay man, but I'm a CIS white gay man. Um, and so there's just this whole range of what you relate to, what you don't relate to, what makes sense to you. And so what's interesting. Watch. I think [00:14:00] for so many people watching a show with drag artists on it is also the chance to play with identity, the chance to try on different things, the chance to see what's okay for you.

[00:14:11] Mike Ganino: I mean, we're watching it with my toddler. She's, uh, like one and a half almost. And so it's just so interesting to think of like her growing up in a world. Realizing there's, there's all these options for who we can be. And that just doesn't show up so often in those kinds of places. Yeah.

[00:14:25] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I think that was very important for Marty and I, to be able to show up and be our most authentic selves.

[00:14:34] Peachez Iman Cummings: Despite the few naysayers that were like, well, they're just putting on a show and this is a circus, like that's Marty and I, anybody that knows Marty. And I sure it's slightly elevated because we're on TV. But at the end of the day, that's we, we got there because that's who we are and who we were when we were talking with casting.

[00:14:53] Peachez Iman Cummings: And then, uh, the other really important thing that I think came out of the show is we met people like big Al who [00:15:00] is a truck driver from, uh, Wisconsin. Is where he was from. And I mean, he said it a thousand times, he was like, there is no world in which we would have crossed paths. And now that I have met you, I, my, my mind is so open to it and so excited to, to see how kind and, and, and how much joy and laughter you can bring.

[00:15:26] Peachez Iman Cummings: Um, And I think, frankly, it goes both ways. I think there's always this huge talk about, oh, when straight people meet queer people, they're suddenly so accepting. And so open-minded to what that lifestyle is, what people love to say. But at the same time, I have no interest in what a truck driver is doing.

[00:15:46] Peachez Iman Cummings: And in Wisconsin, I, I I'm, I didn't think that I had, uh, an investment of in like school teachers from Kentucky, but then you get to sit down and have these conversation and remember that we are all humans and [00:16:00] that. All shares so many commonalities, but also how lead such different lives. And it's so interesting to learn about that and to hear what people are doing outside of, you know, I I've been in New York city for almost 10 years now.

[00:16:14] Peachez Iman Cummings: So like to hear about experiences outside of the city is always so good and so enlightening and educating. And it reminds me that like the work that I do. Has such a wide spread and can affect people in all walks of life.

[00:16:31] Mike Ganino: When it's interesting right now, I mean, when we're, when the show aired and when we're recording this conversation, the things that are going on in, in states like Florida and Texas for, for, I mean, gay kids in general for trans people is so frightening.

[00:16:46] Mike Ganino: And so it's, it's, I don't know there, is there a part of that for you? That's like maybe someone's mom, maybe someone's dad, maybe, maybe them themselves are watching this and thinking about. I don't know, there's hope maybe

[00:16:59] Peachez Iman Cummings: [00:17:00] 100%, uh, Marty tweeted about it. A few people tweeted about it yesterday and we're just like, how important is it in this country right now for, with all of the anti-trans legislation that's happening, all of this stuff that is frankly, intended to harm.

[00:17:20] Peachez Iman Cummings: Trans kids and, and, and non-binary kids and kids that are just suffering in general, how important it is to have this representation on a channel that frankly, most of those people that are going to be trying to implement these laws are going to be tuning into. They may start off as soon as they see us, but at the same time, we're there.

[00:17:40] Peachez Iman Cummings: And we're able to hopefully open up some of these dialogues. So, I mean, it it's. It's so, so, so tough to see how much hate is working with the world and how much hate is working against trans kids in particular like [00:18:00] what you have now, no better work to do in the government than to just sit in the top transcript.

[00:18:07] Peachez Iman Cummings: Got it. But at the same time, it's so good to know that we are able to kind of kick open some of these doors and to say, even if you don't like it, And frankly, if you met me, I'm pretty sure we would be good friends. Right?

[00:18:25] Mike Ganino: One of the things I think was also really clear in this show. Which I think is different because the competition is, is different in shows like all of the metaverse of, uh, of drag race, Ru Paul's program, it is more of a competition and you see some of the sisterhood, you see some of the, everyone lifts everyone up, but I think that you and Marty in this really, really live that, not just for each other, but I was watching, even in the finale of you checking in with, um, with.

[00:18:54] Mike Ganino: Is that her name, the person that was in the top two on the blue team with you, checking in, supporting [00:19:00] you being, I mean, you're on TV, you're so entertaining. You're singing songs, you're supporting everybody and you don't really see that in some of the other programs with drag. And that, from my understanding, I had a, I used to host a karaoke night and I was like 20.

[00:19:15] Mike Ganino: I was the little 21. I was the little like boy band looking dude. And my CoStar of it was a drag. And so we used to host this in Chicago and so I would always get invited or they would always invite me with all their friends and we would go out and I got kind of to, to see an interesting glimpse of a world.

[00:19:30] Mike Ganino: That, again, as a, as a white CIS gay dude, I was not really invited too often or, or didn't look for. And so it was so interesting to me that that was really clear. And I dunno if that's just who you and Marty are, but I saw the way you were doing it for each other, obviously, but also everyone else on the show really lifting all ships with you is that.

[00:19:54] Mike Ganino: I mean, maybe that's just part of who you are. You're just good people like

[00:19:56] Peachez Iman Cummings: that. I think that that's [00:20:00] one of the main reasons that Marty and I were drawn together is that that at our core is what we're here to do always is just like, there's no reason for us not to lift each other up until somebody starts trying to push people down.

[00:20:13] Peachez Iman Cummings: Uh, and I think that that's a huge bond of ours, but at the same time, We were all in that kitchen panicked. Every single one of us were under these time crunches under a lot of lights with 10,000 cameras in our face and trying to reach the same common goals. So at the end of the day, it in the same way that in life, if I have the ability to help somebody.

[00:20:41] Peachez Iman Cummings: That is a little bit less off than I am, or that may not be as clear about something as I am the number. There's no reason for me not to help. And there's no reason for me not to share the knowledge that I may have, that they don't because I would expect it in return, frankly. And, um, so I think that was [00:21:00] a, a huge thing that Marty and I.

[00:21:02] Peachez Iman Cummings: We went in wanting to be the cheerleaders and wanting to make sure that we were there having a good time. That's what we do at our shows. That's what we do in life. So that was not necessarily a conscious thing that we chose to do, but it's just who we are. And at one point I remember, and a chef in borough, uh, was talking about it and she was like, I, I think you all really change what this season.

[00:21:29] Peachez Iman Cummings: Because you come in and you have this really infectious energy, but also this energy to just be kind and help each other. And it's made. It made both of our team stronger and it's just made, I think the general atmosphere in the room, just always a little bit more cohesive and more, we were there to have a good time.

[00:21:50] Peachez Iman Cummings: And there was no reason for us to be nasty to each other over winning a competition. I mean, someone's going to win no matter what. So we might as well have a good time getting there. Right. [00:22:00]

[00:22:00] Mike Ganino: Yeah.

[00:22:01] Peachez Iman Cummings: Well, and it's easy for a winner to say that I know, I know

[00:22:06] Mike Ganino: it's easy to say now from the podium,

[00:22:08] Peachez Iman Cummings: isn't it?

[00:22:09] Peachez Iman Cummings: Exactly. But I mean, even if I didn't win that, I wanted to do that the whole time, because it's, it's more fun. And who wants to just, I think when people are successful too, it's always more successful. If one it's challenging and it feels like you really earned. The success that you've gotten. And two, if you are able to bring people along and have a good journey along to that success, you know, I think, um, I think Jay Z says at one point, like I'm not winning unless my whole team is winning or I'm not paid unless my whole team has paid.

[00:22:46] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I've, I think that that mentality, like why not.

[00:22:51] Mike Ganino: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it really is. I mean, we've, we've been watching the show. I think we've watched all the, all the, I don't know, what is it like season [00:23:00] 23 or something we've watched them all at this point. All the celebrity versions too. My husband is a chef, so we have fun watching it.

[00:23:07] Mike Ganino: Um, and I agree with what, what chef Ann said that it really did feel different. And for me, it was interesting because on the celebrity version of worst cooks, there's a. Uh, a little more freedom, you know, they do seem like they're having a lot of fun because for the celebrities, it's like, you know, I don't want to look bad, but I'm here to have fun, yada yada.

[00:23:28] Mike Ganino: And it felt like an elevated version of that. Even like with you and Marty on the show, it really felt even more of that, that, that, that you really ran with that idea. And so. Obviously part of this is who you are, what role does being in drag have to that as well of, of having a persona and, and realizing the entertainment value.

[00:23:52] Mike Ganino: How does that show up when you're doing something in a competition where you still have to cook?

[00:23:56] Peachez Iman Cummings: Um, it's so interesting. [00:24:00] People oftentimes ask me about peaches versus Philip and how they differentiate and. Anybody that knows me, knows that there's not a ton of difference between, uh, the two. Uh, but the one thing that I, I do think that peaches gives me in that I, I feel the freedom in is just being even more confident than I already am and, and the confidence in being able to shed all expectations.

[00:24:40] Peachez Iman Cummings: 'cause I think a lot of times I walk into situations out of drag and I feel like. People will view me and automatically think one thing and yada, yada, yada. And I think the same thing happens with peaches, but I think that there's also an element of it's. This is a drag queen, like [00:25:00] they're going to do as they do.

[00:25:02] Peachez Iman Cummings: And, and I think the best part about that is that the expectation is we're going to be loud and obnoxious and been on the show the whole time. The fun part is that. Get to bring my truest self to it and be also kind and nurturing and, and have that good time in the kitchen while still being able to check in on all of my teammates and still being able to, to, uh, uh, change the energy.

[00:25:32] Peachez Iman Cummings: I, I, I think Marty and I have the ability to walk into a room and change the energy. Even on our worst days when we are awake at 6:00 AM and are getting ready to do a high stress skill drill, we can still walk in and say, this is exactly what we signed up for. This is going to be so much fun. Let's do this versus, oh my gosh.

[00:25:52] Peachez Iman Cummings: I can't believe that we're here at this hour. And I can't believe that we have two hours earlier than everybody else to put on makeup. And I'm walking around [00:26:00] the course of while you're all comfortable in your sweats, you know, like we able to walk into. Kind of frame it exactly how we want it to be frightened.

[00:26:10] Peachez Iman Cummings: Well,

[00:26:10] Mike Ganino: that's such an interesting statement too, around. This is what we signed up for. So let's love it. We agree. I think there's so many times, I mean, so many of the people that listen to this show are public speakers and they want to be public speakers. They've got, you know, they're doing videos for their business and that kind of thing.

[00:26:27] Mike Ganino: And a lot of times the turning on the camera and saying, oh, I'm going to record the content for my new course, my new online course, or I'm here. I had a client this morning who was at a gig and she's a star, so she was fine. But sometimes people think. Oh, I, um, oh, I got to get up. I got my tech check. I've got to do my run-through.

[00:26:46] Mike Ganino: Oh, this audience, that thing. And it's like, this is what we signed up for. That's such a refreshing reframe.

[00:26:51] Peachez Iman Cummings: I think. It's work is exhausting. It's always a cross. And I [00:27:00] think, uh, people are always like, there's that meme? That's like, uh, whenever someone asks me what my dream job is, I said, I don't dream of labor and yes, that's true.

[00:27:11] Peachez Iman Cummings: But. Ultimately, we all have to work unless we're very, very lucky. And I, uh, I have a musical theater background and I went to school for musical theater and I had a teacher one time say about auditioning, which I think most actors can agree is just like the bottom of the barrel part of doing that job. I had a teacher say, You have to walk into the room, understanding that you were living the dream of every actor you get to put on a one person show at least three minutes.

[00:27:49] Peachez Iman Cummings: You get to connect with your audience that is only there to see you. If you reframing the way that you're walking into these spaces and walking into the work that you're doing, then it makes it [00:28:00] so different. And as soon as he told me that I started walking into my audition and I was like, hell yeah, this is exactly what I signed up for.

[00:28:08] Peachez Iman Cummings: I want you to sit there and want nothing more than to see me and to see me succeed and to be exactly what you were looking for. And, and I think. When I started looking at things like that, it made it so much easier and so much more fun. It makes it easy to put the fun into the work that you're doing, because it's always going to be work.

[00:28:29] Peachez Iman Cummings: Everything that we do, even if we're not doing a job per se, it's always going to be work. So when you find a way to make it fun, then it's easy. And when it stops being fun, then you take a step back and you reassessing say, what do I need to do? Do I need to walk away from this. Do I need to, if I can't make this fun for myself anymore, what do I do?

[00:28:52] Peachez Iman Cummings: It's not always a clear answer, but I mean, Three years ago, I was acting, I was working at trader Joe's. I was [00:29:00] on that grind and then I stepped back and said, I've hit rock bottom. And what do I do now? And here I am. So,

[00:29:09] Mike Ganino: yeah, it's I had a, one of my acting coaches when I was younger, said to me, That the D the casting people want you to be the one, cause they don't want to watch 27 of you.

[00:29:22] Mike Ganino: They want to walk in and be the one. And it was like, that's kind of, I think that even about when people go on stage, when, when public speakers are going to go give a talk, it's like, your audience wants you to be the one. They want you to be the one who's like, I love them. They were the best. They're not ready to judge you.

[00:29:37] Mike Ganino: They want you to win. I don't know, it's kind of relieves a little pressure, I think 100.

[00:29:43] Peachez Iman Cummings: And walking into those situations, the only person that is worried about you not succeeding as you, who that's the only person that thinks that you're not going to do with. Is you everybody that's sitting in an audience that's paid to see you that is anticipating a [00:30:00] show from you thinks that you got that job because you know exactly what you're doing, that you are ready to do it, that you are about to knock this out of the park.

[00:30:09] Peachez Iman Cummings: So the only person that thinks that you're not going to is you so. That

[00:30:15] Mike Ganino: should go in the book. Whenever you write a book that goes, that's the life advice,

[00:30:20] Peachez Iman Cummings: that's the forward read anything else? Just know you're the only person that thinks they're not going to be to

[00:30:28] Mike Ganino: it's so true. I mean, even, even thinking of, of, you know, worst cooks.

[00:30:33] Mike Ganino: Obviously, it's a show called worst cooks, but I would imagine that the producers, that chef and that chef cliff there, they want you to win. It's like, I need one of you to be so good that you can win. Let's do this together versus really wanting to judge you

[00:30:46] Peachez Iman Cummings: 100%. I mean, I don't know how much I'm able to talk about it, but like even on the first day when we walked in, before we started filming anything, chef Ann was like, you have to understand that.

[00:30:59] Peachez Iman Cummings: [00:31:00] We call it bootcamp for a reason. And I am here because I want you all to absorb all of this and to learn all of this. And when we started off on that level on day one, when we have these two world-class chefs telling us, Hey, I want you to win them. That's it, it's easy after that. And then, and then you're going, like even going through the show, you sit there and you think about it and you're sitting with five other people.

[00:31:31] Peachez Iman Cummings: With celebrity shops or executive chefs for world-class and Michelin star restaurants sitting and teaching you personally. And what would in any other situation, be thousands of dollars worth of classes. And instead it's just. And enjoying and getting to try it immediately after and like getting one-on-one like what it, it blows my mind to think that I [00:32:00] technically just got paid a big old check to go to one of the best cooking classes in the world.

[00:32:09] Mike Ganino: It's such an interesting thing. How often again, because we're worried about ourselves, not doing well, not making it to the end of something. We, we don't look at that. I mean, I think of all the times, even for myself, that I've been at a, a conference or when I was doing, when I was, uh, doing sketch, doing performance, doing commercials, whatever it was, you don't enjoy it because you're so worried about doing well.

[00:32:31] Mike Ganino: And if you could remove that. Again, people pay a lot of money to go to a conference and you as a speaker, get to be there and you could see these other, you know, world-class you get to see, I got to see Bernay brown for free one time. It was crazy. Yes. Michelle Obama. I saw Michelle Obama for free one time and it's like, these people pay thousands of dollars.

[00:32:52] Mike Ganino: And if I was worried about myself, Yeah, that makes so much sense. Yeah.

[00:32:58] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I think also like [00:33:00] the other thing that I've learned multiple times through a lot of these experiences is like, I used to be so worried about end gaming and about figuring out where I'm going and about in school. They were always big on make your five day plan and then make your five weeks, five month plan and figure out what, where these goals are.

[00:33:23] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I think that that is very. I think you should be setting goals for yourself. But the thing that I've discovered most is in setting those goals and trying to achieve those goals, the best things tend to happen when you don't get there and something else comes along and it just shifts you a little bit further off of that because it oftentimes just spirals and turns into other things.

[00:33:47] Peachez Iman Cummings: I met Marty drunk as a skunk and a bar. And happened to have a picture of myself in drag. I met Marty when I w had been doing drag for three months. I want to say. [00:34:00] And Marty, I, of course like an idiot, stumbled up to Marty and was like, I just love you. We haven't met a few times before, but Judah remember me.

[00:34:11] Peachez Iman Cummings: And Marty was like, sure, kid. My background on my phone, I happened to have a picture. I, a friend of mine took some cool pictures of me when I first started in drag. And Marty was like, oh, are you a drag queen? And I was like, of course I am. And Marty signed me up for this competition that they used to host in New York city.

[00:34:30] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I did that eight week competition. It just spiraled from there. Marty became a drag mother. I ended up after that now, after we came out of lockdown, I, I have seven gigs in the city right now. I'm on a TV, like you just never know. And I think at that time, I certainly wasn't saying. How am I going to get Marti Gould Cummings to become my drag mother and helped me have a successful drag career?

[00:34:58] Peachez Iman Cummings: I was just thinking about [00:35:00] my life when I was back in the corporate world and I was back in and doing things and trying to figure out what the next step was and setting those goals. And in doing that, I've now found this incredible new career and this incredible new skillset that I didn't even know I have.

[00:35:15] Peachez Iman Cummings: So I think it's just really important to always remember that. Things don't always turn out the way that you think they're going to be, but that doesn't mean that's not how they were supposed to turn out. If that makes sense. It's that, uh, the cheesy little TJ Maxx poster that's like shoot for the moon.

[00:35:34] Peachez Iman Cummings: And even if you don't hit the moon, at least you'll land among the stars. Yes. I love that. I love, I hate how corny and cheesy it is, but I absolutely love that saying, because I think. Literally how my life has turned out.

[00:35:49] Mike Ganino: I think it is the better than the live laugh. Love. It's 100%

[00:35:56] Peachez Iman Cummings: my friends, my new favorite thing is my friends have started, uh, [00:36:00] whenever they're excited about something, they just will either text or actually out loud say, oh girl, I'm live, laugh.

[00:36:06] Peachez Iman Cummings: Love that. The worst and with the assault of

[00:36:12] Mike Ganino: it, my mom and my sister are very into it and it took them several holidays and birthday gifts to realize that we were not very into it, our house it's like, I got you. And it, it was, it broke,

[00:36:26] Peachez Iman Cummings: bro. It just doesn't make it. I'm not going to make it. Didn't cut

[00:36:30] Mike Ganino: it.

[00:36:30] Mike Ganino: I could see, I could see a where I'm putting this out in there to a world where, you know, uh, Kelly Clarkson is doing those Wayfair commercial. Oh, sure. See a whole peaches with the Z and Marty Cummings, Wayfair line. I

[00:36:48] Peachez Iman Cummings: will likely mine will just be like a four week candle that has a button on the side.

[00:36:54] Peachez Iman Cummings: And one of my signature songs we'll play whenever you need some inspiration for that.

[00:36:59] Mike Ganino: I love it. That [00:37:00] was one of the fun parts for me as well. Watching the show was all the music you were singing, you were making up songs. That was a really fun part of the show that was new. That's never happened on west coast

[00:37:10] Peachez Iman Cummings: is how I process things.

[00:37:11] Peachez Iman Cummings: I like music. I come from musical theater world and I have always just been the kid that sings a lot. And. I didn't realize how much of it was going to make it into the edit. And I was cackling because I was like, this is ridiculous. I sound like a crazy person, but there are also lots of times where like you're sitting there trying to cook and you've got a producer being like, Hey, you got to say something.

[00:37:38] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I'm like, I can't focus. I'm just going to stay.

[00:37:47] Mike Ganino: I imagine there are people from past seasons who watched this season, who thought, oh, why couldn't I have been on this season? Cause it was just so much fun. It was really fun.

[00:37:56] Peachez Iman Cummings: It was such a blast to do and even [00:38:00] crazier watching it. You're watching it back, especially because there was a good amount of time in between filming and watching or airtime.

[00:38:10] Peachez Iman Cummings: There's so much stuff that was just like, it felt like nostalgia almost. And like it was only six months ago, but, well, yeah, I

[00:38:19] Mike Ganino: remember she was so cute and innocent back then.

[00:38:23] Peachez Iman Cummings: The worst thing I will say is in the time from the show until now my makeup. Drastically changed. So watching the show, I'm like, Ooh girl, you are giving choices today.

[00:38:37] Peachez Iman Cummings: You're giving off friends. You are, you're doing something. That's the

[00:38:42] Mike Ganino: funniest thing you will have from the beginning to the end. What D did did, uh, cause I know it's relatively quick, the way they filmed these things, did your. Did they give you any wardrobe, makeup help, or was that really just you the whole time doing that?

[00:38:58] Mike Ganino: Yeah. I don't

[00:38:58] Peachez Iman Cummings: know how much I'm allowed [00:39:00] to talk. Well, okay. I will say the initial plan when we got to the show, what they told us via all of our communications was we'll have you in drag for the first episode. And if you make it any further, you can be out of drag. And we filmed the first episode and. We love it.

[00:39:18] Peachez Iman Cummings: Are you okay being in drag for the rest of the show, if you make it any further? And we said, okay. And we had brought enough looks for one day. So we had like our finale gowns because we certainly didn't think we were making it to the finale. And like, we didn't have time to have something made or anything.

[00:39:40] Peachez Iman Cummings: Two weeks before the finale, when we're like, oh, we might make it, we should have something in case we ordered from Amazon and had it shipped to the hotel. So those are two, like twenty-five dollar, Amazon dresses that we had shipped to the hotel. Cause we were like, I'm not going to look crazy in the finale.

[00:39:56] Peachez Iman Cummings: And they turned out great cheap [00:40:00] Arizona.

[00:40:01] Mike Ganino: This is the finale finale where you're standing in front of like Kwame Kwame, by the way, can we just talk about Kwame?

[00:40:09] Mike Ganino: We will we'll message we'll message. Um, that outfit was from mammals,

[00:40:14] Peachez Iman Cummings: both of those address and my blue dress. They were both Amazon and some Juul as I found so together. I think I'm wearing a belt as a necklace on that. Yeah, it was wild. It was very rapid.

[00:40:32] Mike Ganino: So far. Okay. So wait, so you also brought home a first-time win for chef cliff, right?

[00:40:38] Mike Ganino: He's never been on the show before. That's correct. Nice against Anne. Who was the queen of the show?

[00:40:44] Peachez Iman Cummings: Oh my goodness. I know. I don't think Anne was too pleased with that. Happy to lose, you know? No,

[00:40:52] Mike Ganino: she she's. So she's so fun to watch because she does come across so frightening, but also just, you [00:41:00] could see how loving and caring she is.

[00:41:02] Mike Ganino: Seemingly maybe you'll say not at all, but how, um, You know, she really balances that line too, of like, what am I doing for TV and for show. And also I have to help someone when and how do I care for you? So, so you get there and you don't break down.

[00:41:16] Peachez Iman Cummings: He is one of the kindest people I've ever met. And I think, uh, show.

[00:41:23] Peachez Iman Cummings: And has been doing it so long that, like you said, she knows exactly how to walk that line of I'm hosting a television show versus I'm teaching a cooking class and I'm teaching people that have no idea what the hell, how to gain these skills and quickly. Um, and it, it was, it was just so wonderful to meet her and to get to interact with her.

[00:41:46] Peachez Iman Cummings: And, uh, uh, she. From what we were told, she doesn't necessarily stay in touch with recruits that long after, but she, after the show, Marty was literally still texting her being like, [00:42:00] I'm trying to make this, that I need help. And she was like, I got you, baby. Like kitchen help.

[00:42:05] Mike Ganino: Yes. That's

[00:42:08] Peachez Iman Cummings: so good. Yeah. Her, her and Marty got bonded really closely and, and it was, it was just so nice.

[00:42:15] Peachez Iman Cummings: Like day one. She, we, Marty and I mentioned that we had been working on the campaign and in between filming segments, she like came over and was like, I heard that you guys were working on this. I'm like, tell me more about it. Cause I'm trying to get more involved in New York city, local politics. And it's just so cool to hear that you're doing that.

[00:42:33] Peachez Iman Cummings: And she, she cared. She honestly cared and I think. That's one of the best things. Cause you know, you watch these TV shows and you think there are two options. There's that version or there's the version where the host who's been doing it for 23 seasons in between takes, goes and smokes a cigarette and doesn't talk to anybody and it says, leave me alone.

[00:42:52] Peachez Iman Cummings: So no, Anne was absolutely wonderful to work with.

[00:42:56] Mike Ganino: And you can see, even in the, in the first few episodes, her [00:43:00] even doing that for, for chef cliff to, of taking care of him, I saw her saying to him, there was a clip last night in the finale of her saying, what, what, what, what are you feeling? What are you watching?

[00:43:08] Mike Ganino: What do you need to say? And she, she was even coaching him a little bit. I'm like, let's let me help you get into your new

[00:43:14] Peachez Iman Cummings: role here. Totally. I mean, especially for quick, cause he has. TV shows on the food network. So I think, you know, you get into the groove of doing something your way and functioning like that.

[00:43:25] Peachez Iman Cummings: And then you come into a new environment and you have to get your sea legs really quickly. And she was, she's had enough people cycle through that. She knows exactly how to speak to the other chef and help guide them and be like, this is how we're going to get this done. And this is how we're going to avoid having 20 hour shoot days.

[00:43:44] Peachez Iman Cummings: We're going to sit here and focus.

[00:43:48] Mike Ganino: That was great. I love the idea of having, I mean, a world-class celebrity chef on speed dial for like, how do I fix this lamb chop? It's a

[00:43:57] Peachez Iman Cummings: wild, he, [00:44:00] Marty is also friends with. Uh, David burka, no husband. And he also cooks. And so every now and then I'll be sitting around and Marty will be like, I'm trying to make a tomato salad.

[00:44:18] Peachez Iman Cummings: Cause that's the one thing that Marty knows how to make and we'll be like, I don't have any thing to dress it with. Help me. Are you literally on the phone with David broker?

[00:44:30] Mike Ganino: Yep. Who's like in the Hamptons or Pacific Palisades or something. I love it. That's the life and Marty to a great, a great TEDx, um, several great podcasts, appearances like really, really such a, such a leader in this, in this space as well as well.

[00:44:49] Mike Ganino: So where I think one of the things that's really interesting. In this whole, you know, even talking about chef fan [00:45:00] and her persona and who she is on camera to both of you on there, you spoke about it a little bit before of, of the similarities between peaches and fill up. But what are there things that peaches allows Phillip to do that Phillip would never do on his own?

[00:45:17] Mike Ganino: Even I get you were talking about, you know, walking in a room and people looking at Philip versus peaches and the expectation there, but are there parts of Philips. Come alive in peaches. I mean, I, I imagine probably, you know, it's hard to be someone you're not anyway, so all I'm very like Stanislavski and this, like, it's all part of you, it's all coming from your truth, but are there things where you say this is how peaches has made fill up a more robust life or something, you know, like how has that kind of helped fill up change?

[00:45:51] Mike Ganino: I'm curious.

[00:45:55] Peachez Iman Cummings: At its core. I think that, uh, [00:46:00] peaches has given me voice where I didn't have a voice and has given me permission to speak up about things where I didn't feel like I necessarily had the space to speak up about things. Um, I think that's the biggest thing and I, I I'm most excited because peaches has created a platform.

[00:46:20] Peachez Iman Cummings: That has forced me to educate myself more and to do the work so that I can then use said platform to educate my audiences and to ask them to activate themselves into things. Uh, I think all of us kind of became the social justice warrior throughout the pandemic and, and, uh, got really into that. And I think peaches has given me permission to lean into that and to not feel guilt about.

[00:46:49] Peachez Iman Cummings: Being passionate about our communities and about working to better our relationships with each other and with how we're treating people, that how we treat our [00:47:00] unhoused neighbors, how we treat women in queer spaces, how we treat our lesbian and bisexual and pan, uh, community members. I think I've gotten a lot.

[00:47:11] Peachez Iman Cummings: I, Phillip has gotten a lot more grace. And attacking those issues because of peaches.

[00:47:23] Mike Ganino: And it's an interesting, it's interesting to think of, of how being someone else. Gut cuts back to the core of who you are in a way that allows that to shine in Brighton. It's like

[00:47:39] Peachez Iman Cummings: one thing, it's a, you know, you go to acting school and they say, you have to rip everything apart to put it back together to be the full version of it.

[00:47:48] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I think that very much, I I'm so grateful for my acting training because I think it makes me a better drag artist because I have the tools and the ability to kind of empathize and step [00:48:00] away from things. Create who peaches is with all of this semi broken parts of Phillip. If that makes sense, I can, I can pick and choose all of the best parts and make this really ultimately super powerful version of myself, which is why I have a hard time saying that it's two different personas because I think peaches is the best of me.

[00:48:33] Mike Ganino: And if you had a ability to kind of spread that to other people who maybe never will do drag, maybe we'll never experience what that's like, what is it that they need to do? You know, what is it that, that the average person. Be in a suburban dad, a suburban mom, a public speaker, talking about human resources.

[00:48:58] Mike Ganino: How do they tap [00:49:00] into that? So even if they don't end up ever doing drag, they can figure that out too, because I think a lot of people are that way. They have those broken parts of themselves and they don't know how to channel that into something bigger and different. Is there a way to do. I

[00:49:13] Peachez Iman Cummings: this, the biggest thing that I've learned in my life is empathy and learning to empathize with people and to really take a step back and remove myself from a situation that involves me and make it no longer involving me.

[00:49:29] Peachez Iman Cummings: So then objectively say, how does everybody in this situation feel it's helped me in my personal relationships. It's helped me in my friendships. It's helped me at work. And I think. That is, I think empathy is exactly the thing that is missing from all of the hatred that's going on. If any single one of the people that are working on this anti-trans legislation could just take a deep breath and step back and say, if you did not [00:50:00] identify the way that you did and asked somebody to disrespect you and say, this is who you are now.

[00:50:07] Peachez Iman Cummings: If you were in that position and somebody said, no, if you do that, I'm going to literally put you in a place to, at the very least give you severe mental health decline and detriment. And at the most likely force you to appoint a physical harm. If they were able to step back and say, oh, that's how this is going to affect somebody.

[00:50:32] Peachez Iman Cummings: Then I think people would be totally different because ultimately at the end of all of this, when we really step back and look at. It's frankly, nobody's business. Like it's not going to have any effect on you. What I do with my friends that you've never met or what I do with my family, that you're never going to break bread with.

[00:50:52] Peachez Iman Cummings: So why does it not, as soon as I think people are able to take that step back and say, Oh, [00:51:00] this doesn't affect me at all. It will allow people to think in a bigger way and to, to connect in a bigger way, because if I'm meeting somebody that I don't, I meet plenty of people that I don't necessarily like, we're not meant to love everybody, but if there there's no reason for me to.

[00:51:25] Peachez Iman Cummings: Malicious to them because I don't understand your experience, you know? And I think if we take the chance to try and understand other's experiences, it will make it easier for us to adjust how we address them. Not telling anybody to change how they're thinking or change the way that the. Uh, experienced their own life, but you have to learn to adjust the way that you speak to people in the way that you tried.

[00:51:58] Peachez Iman Cummings: There's there's no [00:52:00] good. That comes from trying to adjust. Other people's thinking, I guess is that's not the best way to say it because I think we should be challenging each other to think outside the box, but there's no good in trying to adjust to people's morals. For work ethics, you're likely not going to be able to do that.

[00:52:21] Peachez Iman Cummings: So if you change the way that they think about said morals or think about their ethics, then I think it gives people a chance to fully be objective and empathize and step back from

[00:52:31] Mike Ganino: things. Well, I think that's, that's a big part of what performance does. That's what theater does. It's what performance art does.

[00:52:37] Mike Ganino: I think. Storytellers public speakers should be trying to do more is less of me telling you what to do, even if you are, you know, an HR speaker talking about company work or something, and really not trying to change what you do, but helping you think about it differently. And I think that's what you did so beautifully on this show as well.

[00:52:57] Mike Ganino: And it's such a role model, I think, for so many people. [00:53:00]

[00:53:00] Peachez Iman Cummings: Totally. I mean, even in an HR situation, I still have my full-time job right now. I still am working in the corporate sector, like an idiot because I apparently want to die exhausted, but we're having constant conversations right now about returning to work and about what that looks like.

[00:53:20] Peachez Iman Cummings: And I think if we are able to stop and say, why do we need to go back to the office? Versus what is returning to the office going, how will that affect everybody's lives? Uh, I think it will be a conversation versus a dictation. And I, I think that across the board, no matter where it's just the week, we'd have to learn.

[00:53:56] Peachez Iman Cummings: See all sides of the story versus the bottom line. [00:54:00] And a lot of times in corporate America, it tends to be the bottom line and it tends to be we're paying. We just signed another 22 year lease right before the shutdown. And so now we have to figure out how to utilize the space versus. Oh, I'll everybody in our corporation has thrived under these circumstances and we've now created a new normal, and we've realized that we can do it like this.

[00:54:24] Peachez Iman Cummings: How do we figure out how to make this work for

[00:54:26] Mike Ganino: everybody? Yeah. So it's another example where the performance of it, the actual like, look what happened. Really shows a light of what's possible and we're fighting it the same way that I think, uh, performers on stage storytellers, public speakers do of, can we embody it and model it in a way that people say, of course, that makes sense.

[00:54:44] Mike Ganino: Um, and then sometimes of course, people ignore that as you're, as you're pointing out. Well, my last question for you before I let you surely there are other media people begging on your door and I'm so honored to be the first, but my last [00:55:00] question for you is. If you think back to teenage Philip sitting and watching TV, uh, and, and watching worst cooks comes on 23 seasons ago.

[00:55:13] Mike Ganino: Um, now as the first black non-binary drag artists on the food network, I would say probably winning competitions that are not drag race in general, probably are the first. What would you say to that person? Not the root

[00:55:33] Peachez Iman Cummings: Paul

[00:55:33] Mike Ganino: edit.

[00:55:37] Peachez Iman Cummings: I mean, listen, I. I had a really good childhood and I was a happy teenager looking back on it. Now I know in the thick of it, it was a really tough time. And puberty is, is a, is a real son of a, [00:56:00] but I think if I had to look back and say something to that, Philip, I would just say, Take your time, but also.

[00:56:14] Peachez Iman Cummings: There there there's I would say hurry up and, and, and, and, and, and figure things out because I think I, I, I was a very lazy was, and am a very lazy human being, but also as soon as I start to do the work things change for me. And, uh, that's the double Virgo. And, uh, so I think I would just say take your time, but hurry up.

[00:56:47] Peachez Iman Cummings: Because as soon as you start to the work, things will really fall in place and things will thrive and flourish for you.

[00:56:56] Mike Ganino: That was such a fun conversation. Did you [00:57:00] fall in love with peaches? Cause I did. I definitely did. You can probably check this show out wherever you watch. Old food network shows, uh, whatever version of cable, whatever a streaming device, you can check out pizzas with the Z on food networks.

[00:57:15] Mike Ganino: Worst cooks in America, seasoned. Three. Uh, you can also learn more about peaches That's the website, uh, it's peaches with a Z, not an, P E a C H E There's some really fun Mertz that they've got there as well. Uh, best of the worst merchant stuff, really, really fun things. Uh, you can also follow peaches on peaches.

[00:57:40] Mike Ganino: Don't forget to make the S a Z and over on Twitter at peach. In Y C. As for us, we will see you on the next episode of the mic drop moment. Thanks for listening.

[00:57:55] Peachez Iman Cummings: This episode has ended, but your journey doesn't have to head on over to Mike [00:58:00] Access all the resources and links that Mike and his guests shared today.

[00:58:04] Peachez Iman Cummings: And keep on crafting your own story. That's like the your audience is waiting. Isn't it. Time to find your hashtag Mike drop moment.

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